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Saturday, March 13, 2010

I am totally unable to imagine how the splendid future Sri Aurobindo and the Mother have promised to us will realize itself

Re: The End Is Nearer, Say Atomic Scientists By Tom Zeller Jr.
by koantum on Wed 17 Jan 2007 08:37 PM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Somewhere Sri Aurobindo said or wrote something to this effect (unfortunately I don't remember the source - can somebody help finding it?): The Overmind, as long as it was in charge of the terrestrial goings-on (that is, till 1956), had to play it safe because as a mental principle (even though the highest) it is divided within itself and not 100% in control. Now that the Supermind is in charge, it can take us closer to the brink because it is in total control. It won't let us go down, but it will do whatever it takes...
Reply by Rich on Wed 17 Jan 2007 08:56 PM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
But as we chatted about at the conference, does the future necesarily need us? e.g humanity.

Of course my own response is not necessarily, but seeing that Sri Aurobindo and Mother did so much for the promise of a future, in which we would, albeit transformed still be there, my own thoughts are that we should still take care to bring about that outcome which desired.

I'd also add that we still have enough nukes to literally tear the planet in half, and the fanactics who would use them have I think not yet gotten the message about impending the supramental descent. Their project, be it Bush or Bin Laden, seems to be rather about Armageddon
rich 
Reply by koantum on Wed 17 Jan 2007 10:06 PM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Does the future need us? Depends on what you mean by "us". I am not sure about humanity. I am sure about those eternal individuals who have chosen to descend into involution in order to play evolution. We may have forgotten, but Sri Aurobindo assures us that those who take part wanted to take part and knew very well what that would entail, including every Armageddon you care to name. I am totally unable to imagine how the splendid future Sri Aurobindo and the Mother have promised to us (and which is really a logical consequence of the nature of this manfestation of Sachchidananda) will realize itself and what apparent catastrophies this will take. There are many different ways of looking at what's going on, each containing a particle of truth. Maybe the fanatics got the message and are enraged by it? When the Mother foiled a plot by the one who calls himself the Lord of Nations, the latter said that he knew his end was close but that till then he would cause as much damage as he could. Maybe the damage is needed to shake us conscious of who we are and what we are here for? Then if we were to halt the destruction, we would delay or prevent the intended awakening. We haven't got the foggiest of what exactly we, any one of us at any given moment, would have to do to help bring about the ultimate terrestrial realization, rather than stand in the way with our admirable but very short-sighted intentions. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna tellsArjuna that the question is not whether to fight or not to fight. That has already been decided. In fact, the battle has already taken place on a higher plane. The question is whether we do what we do with trust into the future that is realizing itself, which brings about understanding, which brings about a calm heart and a peaceful mind, or whether we do what we do relying on ourselves, our own extremely limited resources, which brings about uncertainty, which brings about fear, which brings about hatred...
Reply by ronjon on Thu 18 Jan 2007 03:26 AM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
During a similar discussion with my wife, Kim, she read this quote from SA's "Thoughts and Aphorisms." It spoke powerfully to me then and may be relevant to share here. I marvel at how he integrates these apparent paradoxes: 
131. "Because God has willed and foreseen everything, thou shouldst not therefore sit inactive and wait upon His providence, for thy action is one of His chief effective forces. Up then and be doing, not with egoism, but as the cirucumstance, instrument and apparent cause of the event that He has predetermined." - Sri Aurobindo
Reply by koantum on Thu 18 Jan 2007 05:25 AM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Up then and be doing, not with egoism, but as the circumstance, instrument and apparent cause of the event that He has predetermined.

That's exactly what I said! He doesn't tell us what we should do but only that we should do whatever we do without the egoism that blinds us and makes us suffer.

There is an apparent paradox in his saying "thou shouldst not therefore sit inactive"—as if we had a choice! If we have no choice, then why does he bother to say it? But he also has no choice! He is made to speak, we are made to listen, some are made to comply, others are made not to. Nothing regarding what we should or should not do can be deduced from the fact that God has willed and foreseen everything. But it might help us to calm down a bit, and perhaps this is why it has been said...
Reply by Rich on Thu 18 Jan 2007 06:23 PM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
which all reminds me of TS Eliot line about
"the still point in the dance, and there is only the dance."
Reply by koantum on Thu 18 Jan 2007 07:34 PM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind
Cannot bear very much reality.

At the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless;
Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is,
But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards,
Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point,
There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.
I can only say, there we have been: but I cannot say where.
And I cannot say, how long, for that is to place it in time.
The inner freedom from the practical desire,
The release from action and suffering, release from the inner
And the outer compulsion, yet surrounded
By a grace of sense, a white light still and moving,
Erhebung without motion, concentration
Without elimination, both a new world
And the old made explicit, understood
In the completion of its partial ecstasy,
The resolution of its partial horror.

Time past and time future
Allow but a little consciousness.
To be conscious is not to be in time
But only in time can the moment in the rose-garden,
The moment in the arbour where the rain beat,
The moment in the draughty church at smokefall
Be remembered; involved with past and future.
Only through time time is conquered.

To arrive where you are, to get from where you are not,
You must go by a way wherein there is no ecstasy.
In order to arrive at what you do not know
You must go by a way which is the way of ignorance.
In order to possess what you do not possess
You must go by the way of dispossession.
In order to arrive at what you are not
You must go through the way in which you are not.
And what you do not know is the only thing you know
And what you own is what you do not own
And where you are is where you are not.

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.

Quick now, here, now, always—
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.

T.S. Elliot (Excerpts from The Four Quartets)
Reply by koantum on Wed 17 Jan 2007 11:39 PM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Hi Rich, in this context, John Horgan has an interesting post entitled Why the "Realists" Are Wrong About War. His previous post is also worth looking at.
Reply by ronjon on Fri 19 Jan 2007 03:02 AM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Thanks for this note Ulrich. I just posted the "Welcome to World Peace" essay that Horgan references in his Discover column.

See also this "Dramatic decrease in organized violence" article posted on SCIY awhile ago. I agree that it's important that we balance our hand-wringing with evidence of more optimistic possibilities. This kind of data helps me maintain an attitude of gratitude, in the face of the horror ...
Reply by koantum on Fri 19 Jan 2007 05:18 AM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Never forget: the media will tell you when a great woman dies, not when a great woman is born! (-: 
Reply by RY Deshpande on Fri 19 Jan 2007 01:27 AM PST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna tells Arjuna that the question is not whether to fight or not to fight. That has already been decided. In fact, the battle has already taken place on a higher plane.

And yet the instrument was needed. Arjuna was told to be nimitta-matra, a pretext. Man's participation in the battle is essential.

The quality of the result will to some extent depend upon the quality of the isntrument.

Sri Aurobindo and the Mother saw
India free long before the event in 1947. But it was the India without the partition. Something certainly went wrong,-- and the havoc. Human instrument had failed. RYD Reply
Re: Sri Aurobindo’s Marriage—a discussion by auroman on Thu 11 Mar 2010 05:19 AM IST |  Profile |  Permanent Link
Frankly, all this "engaging the world in discourse" is needless exertion but those who want to do so can continue. Mental frameworks can only be shattered by proof of Divinity rather than lectures and books. One who has Adhikara will succeed irrespective of his or her mode of expression, as Ramana Maharshi or Ramakrishna Paramahansa proved in the past. 
He who chooses the Infinite has been chosen by the Infinite. he has received the divine touch without which there is no awakening, no opening of the spirit... (Synthesis of Yoga)

Heaven’s call is rare, rarer the heart that heeds;
The doors of light are sealed to common mind (Savitri

I learn for the fun of it rather than to be erudite and it seems to me that Post-modernism can be a little like Buddhism because by questioning and negating everything, it induces a state of aporia (Nirvana) in which the whole world begins to feel unreal. All thoughts seem equal, all values seem the same, all people feel similiar... 

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