Friday, July 24, 2020

Godāvari was the boundary of Kalinga

Anga, Vanga and Kalinga are mentioned typically together as the eastern Janapadas. Kalinga was the southernmost tribe.
Godāvari is actually called in common parlance as “Godāri Gangā” and sometimes even simply as “Gangā”. This is unparalleled with any other river in southern India.
I think we should discuss the period of the Janapadas distinctly from that of the great kingdoms. Kalinga was used as a name for both.
It is absurd to say people were speaking Odia during Kalinga war. Do you have a single literary evidence for Odia language then? It evolved from an old Prākrit. Moreover, the type of Prākrit changed later to a Magadhi version, which is the ancestor of both Bengali and Odia.
I feel really sorry for your ridiculous jingoism. The entire weight of literary evidence is clear that the Godavari delta was a central portion of the Kalinga Janapada. I am just pointing out the obvious, while being extremely respectful to my Odia cousins.
The onus of the explanation lies with the people who want to restrict the Kalinga janapada to just till Śrikakulam area. Why would a rich cultured civilization go till Śrikakulam and just ignore the fertile Godāvari delta!? It doesn’t make any sense!
You are artificially trying to eliminate Godāvari delta from the Kalinga region. You can’t just wish it away. It is the largest river in South India, with a very large agricultural economy since ancient times. In parallel, it had very ancient Shiva temples. Who were these people?
What nonsense! How can you compare Godāvari with Vamsadhāra!? Compared to the Godavari, of course, they are just streams.
You are actually insulting the marital and the maritime character of the Kalinga by saying they just stopped at the Vamsadhara river. It doesn’t make any sense!
Godāvari was the boundary of Kalinga. Dakshina Kalinga was the Godāvari delta. Every single evidence points to this !
I also gave arguments why an important port city needs to be at the mouth of large navigable rivers: whether Paradwīpa on the Mahānadi, or Coringa on the Godāvari. 
Now look at the remarkable similarity of the name. Where does it come from? This is just commonsense.
Let us see the facts: Coringa was an extremely important port in the 18th century. It was devastated by two monstrous cyclones: one in 1789 and another in 1839. The latter killed 300,000 people and destroyed 20,000 ships. Coringa is undoubtedly in the Dakshina Kalinga region.

On Cousins Day (July 24) today, we may remember James H. Cousins (22 July 1873 — 20 February 1956), an Irish writer and his book "New Ways in English Literature" which Sri Aurobindo had reviewed quite approvingly. He was Vice-President at Kalakshetra, too.

Very few people know that most of mythological fiction are popular representation of the Veda. The four or five brothers of Ramayana and Mahabharata are basically Mitra-Varuna et al. So it's imperative that the new temple should be dedicated to Mitra-Varuna instead of Ram or Rama
Important but self-certification can be dicey. So the real question is which knowledge, which school? Thankfully Sri Aurobindo wrote for seven long years in the ARYA a century back. There can't be a better examination of tradition than what he has executed. Mitra-Varuna will rule.
Human nature can't be compared with anything else; they are just indicators. Sri Aurobindo stresses on Fraternity - the third formula - on the Vedic Mitra-Varuna principle. We are moving towards that.
The last sentence is flawed. Of the four Varnas, the last one is especially geared to work with the service motive. Mahasaraswati in The Mother book represents that faculty.

Wednesday, July 22, 2020

There is always some hypocrisy attached to our beliefs

How to #Write When You’re Not Sure About Anything via @thecut #writing #WritingCommunity

5 years ago today, I collected a scared little girl from a tiny orphanage in Bhubaneshwar and took her home with me. It’s been a crazy ride but the most rewarding and happiest of my life

@AIOVA3 happens to be one prominent “Do Tank” which makes change felt by its concerted and focused action...
This I have borrowed from @x_sitara creation of Madam @smita1900...
whose ardent push for an आत्मनिर्भर भारत in hi-tech space has been profound and inspiring...
Coming from @indiandiplomats having seen the world, she is a true भारतबंधु to rely upon...

This is why correct spellings & info are essential. Is it -
Chhena Poda ?
Many are using multiple spellings just like #Rasagola #Rasgulla 
Note 📝: #Chhenapoda is NOT linked with #RathYatra ; it’s #PodaPitha  
Poda Pitha or Podapitha?

The #COVID19 pandemic has laid bare gender inequalities, the head of @UN_Women told a virtual event on Tuesday, organized by @UN_PGA.
Participants met to find ways to accelerate landmark targets set 25 years ago for gender equality & women's rights.

Central University of Odisha organizes Online Lecture Series on #COVID 19 – Global Lock down – Environment Protection

I've seen these all and still I have them with me. How many of these you saw?
Let me complete this 😊

Kajal Basu - Qanon

All these years, govt has promoted Independence Day celebrations. Time to drop this outdated commemoration and fully dedicate the day, instead, to remember Sri Aurobindo. In any case, August 5 is likely to gain traction as a sort of Independence Day in future. So why duplication?

A tale of seven rivers. Something to read and ruminate upon, year after year.

Godāvari is called affectionately in Telugu as Gōdāri గోదారి. It sounds very nice because “dāri” దారి in Telugu means a path. “Dari” దరి means a bank, or nearby to the goal. Both of these allude to the goal of enlightenment “mōksha” that Telugu people associate with this river.
A short film on The Mother's Symbol in Marathi

Beautiful sonnet by Sri Aurobindo: Because Thou Art God is in everyone and everything.

#BijayMohanty's versatility was reflected in the fact that he received the state film award as Best Actor six times, as Best Supporting Actor thrice and Best Actor in a Comic Role once. @geminianguddu

Our lifestyles are heavily dictated by the culture and the time we live in. For eg many Muslims watch movies like it’s not a sin to watch movies because culturally it is acceptable. No one is a perfect Muslim today and there is always some hypocrisy attached to our beliefs.

है। When this world be sick of man -made  religions which have not succeeded in raising the consciousness of man ,rather they have made them dwarfs by shrinking their hearts and minds . They out of envy can not see other people developing ,progressing ,They are buzy in crushing

#Opinion by Shelley Walia
Civilisational crisis and post-human society

Also in case of Vedas themselves the level of brilliance that is contained Upanishad after Upanishad has yet to be seen subsequently... So to say that human thot ONLY advanced & not regressed, ONLY gained & not lost is a very weird & fantastic claim.

This is the sort of nonsense that linguists deal in. Not scientists. Personal impressions & biases on the lines of "One dead body is not enough to prove death". Obfuscation is the disease that linguists started and genetics researchers quote linguists in an example of GIGO

The Psychic and Spiritual Transformations Are Pre-Conditions for the Supramental Transformation
All the Parts of the Being Must Surrender Their Habitual Functioning to the Action of the Higher Power
Stages in the Evolution of Consciousness

Tuesday, July 21, 2020

Ostriches don't learn philosophy

Criteria for the Supramental Transformation in the Individual

"The problem is that although MRI can tell us where things happen, it can’t tell us *how* things happen."
Identity and the Mind, a #readinglist by @PrincetonNeuro neuroscientist @SebastianSeung

With designers and manufacturers focusing more on creating aspirational value rather than enhancing the utility of a product, what does it mean for us as consumers?

उत्कृष्ट अभिनेता एवम सुप्रसिद्ध नाटककार श्री   बिजय कुमार मोहन्ती ( पूर्व छात्र एनएसडी 1973 बैच ) के निधन  की खबर बेहद  दुखद  है  एनएसडी  परिवार भावभीनी श्रद्धांजलि अर्पित करता है । ईश्वर दिवंगत आत्मा को शांति प्रदान करे।#NSDfamily @nirupamakotru @MinOfCultureGoI @PIBBhubaneswar

Odisha's worst hit #Coviddistrict is Ganjam. The state govt despatched for the frontline health workers - 10K homeopathy vials to boost immunity! My piece in @DinalipiOnline on this dangerous pseudoscience: #homeopathy #arsenicalba30 #Odisha #Ganjam

As a build-up to #ConstitutionDay2020, we are partnering with Law Schools to raise awareness on #IndianConstitution and #OurDuties. Be a part of 10 Cr+ students who’re leading the #CitizensDutiesAwarenessProgramme. Join the movement. Visit to participate.

#BlogchatterEBook author Ellora Mishra’s @ellora280 book ‘Dots and Streaks’ has won the coveted LIT Digital Award 2020! We get together for a (virtual) chat to talk about her writing process and inspiration:

#CyberBullying is terrible.
Can understand having been a victim myself.  
There's very little doubt-
That the bullies want us out.
Time to show them our clout!
My #blog #post -
Stop Cyber-Harassment-
#TuesdayThoughts #tuesdayvibes

The fantastic Magi Matinga is sharing her expertise on gender equality and renewable energy because, when it comes to climate change, we cannot leave anyone behind. The solution has to be inclusive. #climatejustice #renewables #EqualityForAll

🌅Sri Aurobindo ---There are SEVEN principles of existence and the seven Puranic worlds correspond to them with sufficient precision ---ओम् भू,भुव: ,स्व: ,मह: ,जन:, तप: ,सत्यम्।-तैत्तिरीयारण्यक।  ब्रह्मा ने चारों वेदों का विलोडन किया तो सप्तव्याहृतिरूप मक्खन निकला। ये साक्षात् --

Dayananda’s most important contribution to Hindu society is his reformist agenda solidly backed by vedic literature

It’s not true that Buddhism “arose out of the Vedic matrix”. @Jayarava

History of India – The Vedic Age (7) via @immortalindia

Philosophy requires cauurage, sir. It demand understanding and rational refutation if you disagree. Ostriches don't learn philosophy.
You hv left out historical development of human thought. Aurobindo's hypothesis goes against that.
Fine if u think so. But 1.Aurobindo proposes this only as a hypothesis. finds it contradictory to traditional Indian finds it contrary to historical development of human thought. Assuming perfection in the beginning and (1/4)

It is untenable on the face of it. If that were so then modern philosophers wud not be making claims like all philosophy is merely a footnote to Plato... All of English literature has still to even remotely approximate a Shakespeare. (1/2)
Also in case of Vedas themselves the level of brilliance that is contained Upanishad after Upanishad has yet to be seen subsequently... So to say that human thot ONLY advanced & not regressed, ONLY gained & not lost is a very weird & fantastic claim.
Many other things cud be said & have been addressed by Sri Aurobindo himself in his writings on the subject. That RadhaK says all these things shows he has not even a clue what he is talking about.
All said & done theres no real examination here of Sri Aurobindo's work on the veda. To say it diverges from both Sayana etc & Western indologists is to merely repeat what Sri Aurobindo himself starts out with So the analysis is not even there. It is an uninformed opinon at best.
Sir, as u can c his treatment of a complex & deep work as that of Sri Aurobindo's revelation of the inner truth of the veda amounts to little more than few sentences. His reasons for rejecting r also not his own but "coz others hold differently" & pure supposition abt "human dev"

@SavitriEraParty Not to forget Dr.R.L. Kashyap who applied Swamy's philosophies onto full Vedic corpus. What a great service it is...

The seven distributaries are named after the seven Rishis. The main ones are Gautami and Vasishta. The place where the Vasishta river meets the sea is known as Antarvēdi - “the end of the Vedas” i.e, enlightenment. I remembered Herman Hesse’s Siddhārtha when I took this picture.

This is the sort of nonsense that linguists deal in. Not scientists. Personal impressions & biases on the lines of "One dead body is not enough to prove death". Obfuscation is the disease that linguists started and genetics researchers quote linguists in an example of GIGO
The Vedas are not a history document. Their purpose is entirely spiritual. Any geographical/social information is entirely incidental. Words like fire, cow, river & horse take on spiritual meanings in some parts. But for that one cannot avoid Yaska, Sayana, Aurobindo. Kashyap etc

Re-use the Vedic-ideas that gave birth to Caturvarna to effectuate another synthesis. Dr. Soumitra Basu. Sri Aurobindo

Sayana’s work was a great stumbling block for a true understanding of Vedas. Vedic scholar Kapali Shastriar sums up
The Vedic cow is not the four-legged animal which we  keep ill-treating all the time.

The whole story of 20th Century was the Vedic fight with Hitler on one side & The Mother & Sri Aurobindo on the other

[the Vedic symbol of the Horse by which the pranic force is constantly designated in the Rig Veda.] ~Sri Aurobindo

Forget Chandan Mitra. This is how Sri Aurobindo describes the glory of Mitra as he is invoked in Vedic hymns of yore

The task of every Indian is to wake up to the Vedic striving for conquering death. Reading a page from Sri Aurobindo's Savitri is right way.
May the nation wake to the anthem of truth, light, & immortality as sung by Sri Aurobindo in his epic Savitri invoking Vedic lore. #August15
@orsoraggiante Savitri by Sri Aurobindo sings the ultimate destiny of man informed by the Vedic aspirations for Truth, Light, & Immortality.
@hguptapolicy Evolution comes in precisely in such situations to force non-linear solutions & apply corrective. Vedic dialectic not helpless
Just as biology speaks of a single species for human race, ontology of Sri Aurobindo traces the common Human Aspiration to the Vedic hymns.
Economy, Politics, and Foreign Policy
All grist for the Twitter mill
Sri Aurobindo foregrounds the unfathomable
Buried in the Vedic deities.
War, a Vedic device to score over the night
And welcome Evolution, an unavoidable interregnum
A delight for the hero but for choosing sides.
Instead of any Camus or Greene
Take lessons from our own Vedic gene
Sri Aurobindo doesn't rule out conflict
Hounding it out is heroic duty.
The Mother & Sri Aurobindo embarked upon an adventure of Consciousness in Judeo-Vedic Psychology with publication of ARYA on August 15, 1914
The Mother & Sri Aurobindo launched ARYA in 1914 in order to reiterate Vedic ethical values like nobility, generosity, tenacity and courage.
From Ilion to Savitri, the reigning theme Sri Aurobindo pursues in poetic creations is the Vedic imperative of thwarting the evil impetus.
Pre-mythological allegory of "Uma Haimavati" in Kena Upanishad contains the clue to symbolism of Vedic deities Sri Aurobindo brings to life.
Nishtha has translated hymns to Goddess Sarasvati in the Rig-Veda. Vedic Sacrifice in Savitri.
In the Matrimandir in Auroville also meditation is done around Sri Aurobindo's Symbol which has Judeo-Vedic roots.
Temple sculptures & Indian Classical dances promote mythological fiction & unjust gender stereotypes. Sri Aurobindo teaches Vedic symbolism.
Tablets are replacing Desktops & Laptops but the Vedic Varuna and Mitra still rule over their domains. Sri Aurobindo brings them close to us
Death is the central focus of the Judeo-Vedic sadhana of The Mother & Sri Aurobindo. Difficult to fathom it but reading Savitri is our duty.
Sri Aurobindo embodied Evolutionary vigour while Hitler represented wanton destruction reenacting the Vedic Indra vs. Vritra fight in 20thC.
Evolutionary paradigms of Bergson, Alexander, Whitehead, or Teilhard had a strong speculative element but Sri Aurobindo held Vedic sanction.
@knowingk2 Human civilisation is a cumulative position of fanciful ideas. Vedic amrita to Egyptian mummy point to yearning for immortality.
@knowingk2 Please read the Tales of Prison Life to disabuse yourself of fanciful notions. @jam2579 @sarkar_swati
No phrase in Sanskrit or Pali is valid without Vedic sanction and no proposition of the Veda is valid without Sri Aurobindo's interpretation
Popularising Vedic symbolism and Yogic spirituality as conceived by Sri Aurobindo is a thousand times more valuable than building any temple
If awareness about Sri Aurobindo's Vedic Evolutionary vision can rise even by a shoestring, India could pull itself up by its bootstraps.
Sri Aurobindo redefines ill-understood Maya and fuses it with Myers' Subliminal & Vedic Hiranyagarbha to conceive an ever-emergent Supermind
Neither Goel nor Golwalkar have been able to capture the goal of human life in any definitive manner. The Judeo-Vedic Evolutionary dialectic expounded by The Mother & Sri Aurobindo is the most dependable roadmap for humanity which every Indian must internalise as well as endorse.
The way Sri Aurobindo decoded the Vedic terminology, The Mother too brought out the significance of flowers by assigning them Vedic values.

Sunday, March 29, 2020

Global agenda and Integral paradigm

The Indian situation is after all part of a universal one. On the stripping away of "normal" democracy to reveal "raw" democracy and what that's about: as much about the use of "coercive power" as any other. And arbitrariness.
Among other things, it speaks of an idea that I've been thinking of but don't hear anyone mentioning: an all-party 'national government' to meet #COVID2019india. Back in the day, it was frequently tossed up as an idea.
Why national government?
Because, instead of wasting energies on finding fault after things go wrong, or relying on this or that individual politician's genius or lack of it, this extraordinary crisis needs everyone on board. Not blame games.
Why are the police bestialising us? Why are humans trying to get home, with no other means to do it except on their feet, being brought to their KNEES? Crawl, duck-walk, frog-march? The symbolism is unmistakable. My column.

1. Situation is unprecedented in human history; in fact, human civilisation.
2. All theorising of past fall short by huge margin.
3. Unprecedented in another way too: instant communication.
4. Virtually it's a world-govt guided by macro-data like of WHO.
5. So seems Evolutionary.
Blogging and tweeting from 2005 to 2020 has been a great learning experience and raining of Grace. I have always highlighted the Global agenda and Integral paradigm despite my puny understanding. Today humanity is facing an unprecedented catastrophe. So we pray only She can save.
Easy to find many well aware, well read, intelligent, and articulate persons on Twitter but with a rotten worldview. The Mother and Sri Aurobindo have given me the chance to apply corrective no matter if it reaches only a dozen people. Pranams on March 29 #TheMother's arrival day
Retired persons bearing the unhappy burden of the title, 'senior citizens' have become a near-derogatory category in this crisis. Such stereotyping and patronising is against needed autonomy and freedom. Social norms as regards their different exigencies too need standardisation.
Two thousand years of political theory has been on society and collective life whereas the current crisis has reversed the gaze towards home and family. It has been a neglected area and many loopholes as regards loneliness and neglect need to be addressed.
Basically, it's individualism, common sense, and refusal to succumb to herd mentality or superstition. In India, the children are taught the opposite in the name of Sanskar and Parampara. Parents want to be cared for in their old age and apply all kinds of tactics upon offsprings

To be fair Harsh, what you said wasn't any constructive criticism but more of an average rant. A better way would be to engage, understand the process and suggest what can be improved. Ad hominem is really useless. Saying this since I respect your views a lot.
There are plenty on Twitter who indulge on general arguments and rants but specific points, metrics like you bring out on other topics would help your case here 🙂

But, there's another reason I'm mentioning all this. I would consider myself a 'naturalist'. I like to look at phenomena such that the cause-effect chain can be explained right till atomic / molecular level (and may be even till level of quarks).
If there are systems of knowledge (?) that don't delve on the cause-effect relationship in simple terms or posit existence of too many entities that cannot be demonstrated, I don't easily believe them (e.g., astrology, palmistry, homeopathy, etc).
A decade back I used to swear by 'science' and 'evidence'. A decade back I used to believe in Aryan Invasion Theory because it was written in the textbook. I'm a sort of black sheep in medical field because I don't believe in 'evidence based medicine'.
The reason I remain skeptical of EBM is because unless and until cause-effect relationship for a phenomenon is explained at molecular and cellular level, I consider it sophisticated statistical jugglery. So, I no longer "swear by science" so to say.
But, there is another reason I mention all this. There was a time when I used to hold people believing in the 'supernatural' in some kind of contempt for not possessing sufficient intelligence. But, @mmpandit sir is one of the first and most prominent people to have humbled me 🙂
While I still continue to not believe what I categorise as supernatural, I get to learn a lot from him. I'd urge @srikarreddym to go through @mmpandit sir's movies. They're very informative and cover the undertaken subject very well. You'll find them here.

Then you should hate the BJP and Sangh-they killed 10K Hindus in one stroke in Bangladesh with the LBA.  You should hate the mercantile groups who butchered millions and are butchering thousands even today. But you don't, do you? Your hatred is ... selective.

In my spare time I work with grps that care for the elderly and animals. Elderly humans and animals, those of no monetary value, are the ones most quickly abandoned in crises that makes society fearful of their own lives. Our naked selfishness comes out in its mesmerizing horror.
I feel like saying to those who think they will never grow old or that they are not animals, you too will be left beside the road one cold night, in the hope that you be frozen or beaten out of life, so you no longer have to be spent on, so that the space you occupied is free.
when you will fall sick, even with all the money you gave in your jolly days to insure for your care and the tax you paied, you will be taken off the ventilator, you will not be resuscitated, you will not be given medication or sustenance that will prolong your life.
even with all the love you gave your children or family or kin, all the hours you toiled to get them fed or taught or sheltered, they will one day see you as a liability, resolved through termination, in a setting for which no one can be seen as responsible. It will just happen.
dont see any one aspect of life as more important than others, even if society will do its best to convince you otherwise so it can get you to spend valuable times in your life working for its benefit and pleasure.
at the end of the day, most of society runs as a profit maximization machine - input the minimum and extract the maximum. It uses the lottery drive in humans and profuse conditioning to lure the human into and keep producing. But it spends a huge effort in hiding that mechanism.
Most of the values taught to us from childhood in cultures not openly predatory like jihadi cults, is to make sure we dont realize whats really going on, and the more productive are brainwashed more to ensure that they dont pursue self-interest to the same degree as brainwashers.
Yet I still feel that those "kinder" values are a better way to live, just that kindness needs a firm hand to ensure its not a means for exploitation. Society must be held responsible  for those it has used once, whether for production or pleasure. We must choose the better way.

Wednesday, March 18, 2020

Mehendale wrote about horrible mistakes of Sarkar

Unlike others I give credit where due. As Jadunath Sarkar said alone among Indian ppl Marathas contested Mughals and rolled them back conquering them ultimately. That is legacy of Marathas and every Maharashtrian should be proud.
You Kaal Chiron and Rohit did you even read that tweet? Sarkar is admiring Marathas as only ppl who rolled Mughals back and conquered them. What is wrong in it ? This is your history and you are justifiably proud of it.
I know he had limited access to Marathi primary sources. However this quote is completely right and I do not think anyone can disagree there.
Deccani ppl were contesting Punjab with Abdali so their blood flowed but when Abdali attacked Mathura,4k Naga Sadhus and thousands of Jats died protecting the city. Not one Maratha bled in defence of that city.

I did. I am speaking in general on Sarkar as a historian and his opinions about Marathas which were based on non-primary documents. Not about his work on Mughals which is par excellence.
Sarkar is not authority when it comes to Marathas. His opinions are welcome. But he is authority on Mughals.

Also an addendum, wrt Shivaji and Marathas (not other aspects of that era) research and writing in MH has moved far far in advance of Jadunath Sarkar with far more sources
Being open to criticism doesn't mean criticism won't be countered if one disagrees
Where does this idea come from that people are intolerant to criticism of Marathas? A cursory reading of Marathi historians themselves should disabuse anyone of this notion.
The flaws of the last H Empire and the reasons for its failure need to be studied threadbare- it is only from there that we can start to build the future. But first for that one has to stop refusing to see it as 'yours' in the first place.
As the last pan-India Hindu Empire, it belongs to all of us, just as all past Hindu Empires do. First stop being petty and parochial, take ownership of it as a Hindu, then critique it.

Bargis did destroy temples here. I understand that generals didn't wield complete control over the band of looters. But destroying temples, loots are part of history too. Won't those be included in history too ? Otherwise, I don't have any objections to people getting their due.
Destroyed vigrahas for sure. Chief among them will be Siddeshwari of Bhadrapur. Aparajita of Kanakpur, Keshabakshi (both were earlier damaged by Kalapahar).
First damaged by Kalapahar then again from Bargis.

With due regards to his untiring work...Jadunath Sarkar is not the last word...a great historian like say G.B. Mehendale has written about  the horrible mistakes that Sarkar has made..and simply because his attitude of refusal to read even primary Marathi sources. Dhanyavad!! 

That is the problem...he did not have limited access...he, in many cases, refuse to even consider primary Marathi sources...if you claim to be a reader of will make an affort to first read Mehendale and try to refute what he said about Sarkar..I will end it here.
Your view. I would regard Rana Sanga say a saviour of MH Hindus too..if he had succeeded in freeing MH from Bahamani grip..even if Hindus were 90% in MH under fact I regard him as a saviour even Hindu worth the name should live under degrading muslim rule.

Modi’s virtual internet lockdown has kept 8 Million Kashmiris in dark about #coronavirus - Pakistan was then not wrong to raise #Kashmir in the SAARC video conference on #COVID2019

Fighting Communism or Hindutva is not the real challenge as the present crisis underscores. Larger Ontological picture is more relevant for which the Yogic insights of The Mother & Sri Aurobindo are immensely instructive. Modernity is key but Supraphysical realm matters much more.

One of the very few books that I have read word by word. Am restarting again. Virus will keep coming even if we find a solution for Corona. The only thing important is to have a better immune system. And simplest thing for that is to eat right, sleep well & exercise.

As Gebser perceived, the breakdown of the mental-rational (or dialectical mind) in the face of intractable double-binds, dilemmas, and crises, tends to revert to equally aberrant modes of magical consciousness, ie, "magical thinking" (cf. Gary Lachman's *Dark Star Rising*)... /1
Prayer, instrumentalised as a form of magical technique (or spell-casting) rather than as a mode of contemplation, is just such a reversion to magical thinking. /2

Thursday, March 12, 2020

Despots won't care how many die

Assorted tweets:

Ashis Nandy's  mocking  life sketch of Sri Aurobindo in Intimate Enemy n d implied gesture of "clinical psychology" is not in good taste. I strongly condemn it as a biased n a  factually wrong note. These indians r more "enlightened" than Peter Heehs, the notorious debunker!

#IndiaQuarantinesCorona | Watch: World succumbs to #Coronavirus, but India ahead on COVID-19. | Rahul Shivshankar on INDIA UPFRONT.

Rahul sharing personal exp of MOTHER. We must be Spiritual, respect Animals. Sharing Prof Sampadananda Mishra shares what the Mother of Sri Aurobindo Ashram said about virus in 1953, based on her being affected by a terrible flu in Japan, year 1919.

Authoritarian, repressive regimes have faltered the most in controlling the extremely contagious #COVID2019 #coronavirus. China, Iran both suppressed news of the outbreak, did horribly by their people by NOT informing them of the dangers, refuse to share real statistics with ROW.
In a way, super spreading events have been enabled majorly by the reticence of China and Iran, and the world is suffering. Specifically with China having the largest data set of infections and not sharing the knowledge endangers the ROW, which has no knowledge of certain facts.
There is a lesson here. Open and caring societies will manage and save their people. Despots won't care how many die as long as they retain power. Another important takeaway - despotic powers like China CANNOT BE TRUSTED with the world's leadership.
Eventually, the repressive CCP regime may get its derailed system back on track and continue on its hegemonic world expansion plan. But the ROW should be even more wary and come up with alternatives to reduce its influence and power.

Let's address the root cause: "Both SARS and COVID-19 can be traced to China’s open-air markets where animals (such as wolf cubs, snakes, turtles, rats, civets) are bought live and then slaughtered on the spot." Such markets will spawn more deadly viruses.

Chinese secrecy also worsened this crisis. Yet international agencies, too petrified to say an unkind word about Beijing, now lavish praise on a totalitarian regime that will never disclose the full truth. This dystopia is an upshot of the CPC's unchecked global clout.

Savitri Era Political Action: The Human Cycle has solutions to present problems
#SavitriEra of those who adore,
Om #SriAurobindo & #TheMother.
@NathTusar (SELF)

47.  Let me continue my tweets on #ADISANKARA

48. The great founders of the modern science such as Descartes, Newton, Galileo and Bacon contributed to the modern scientific way of understanding Nature with their tests for the Real.
49. Descartes sees the world as consisting of the dualism of matter and mind, or object and subject, or observed and observer, matter being the extended moving ‘substance’ and mind, the unextended immaterial thinking ‘substance’.
50.  Newton thinks of the world as an aggregate built out of discrete material particles, the combination of which, under the influence of the forces of attraction, have produced the great determinate world-machine.
51. Galileo assumes Nature to be a book written in the language of Mathematics.  Bacon believes that scientific knowledge is obtained through inductive generalizations from objectively observed facts.

52. This way of looking at the world implies that man as the observing subject (or mind, thinking substance) is totally detached from
53. the object (the world, the extended moving substance) and, at the same time, can obtain knowledge of the world which is totally impersonal, objective and based on facts as they are.
54. Materiality, quantifiability, amenability to mathematical treatment and to analysis into discrete parts, are the characteristic scientific tests for the Real.
55. With these tests for Reality, was born in the seventeenth century the modern quasi-religion of Positivism of which David Hume is the arch-priest.

56. For this positivist philosophy, statements can be meaningful only if they are synthetic judgements about verifiable matters of fact – the inductive method, and science, or analytical judgement based on a priori reasoning, mathematics and logic – the deductive method.
56A. Apart from these two classes of judgments, all other insights or intuitions are not germane to this philosophy and are supposed by it to be strictly meaningless and not recognized or even shunned.

57.  Aesthetic, moral and religious insights, which are more subjective, cannot, of course, be verified nor refuted with reference to material correctness just as empirical and scientific statements can be verified or refuted, but
58. their presence by us, is as much real as empirical facts themselves of science, if not more.  But Positivism considers them meaningless or at most to be mere expressions of subjective human desires.  The intellectual effect of this is a fundamental cleavage in the human mind.

59.   Since science reveals no purposes or ends in the world but only things, forces and objects, obeying these forces, man himself becomes an object in a world of objects.
60. For the Positivists, it is the most unforgivable of solecisms to commit the naturalistic fallacy by inferring an ‘ought’ (value) statement from a ‘is’ (fact) statement.

61. Thus, we arrive at an intellectual schizophrenia, a split, an unbridgeable gulf between the ‘is’ and the ‘ought’, fact and value, world and man, object and subject, observed and the observer.
62. Notwithstanding this split, the great predictive success of Newtonian atomistic mechanical theory meant that over the next two or three centuries atomistic mechanism was extended into all physical sciences like light, heat, chemistry etc.,
63. and into the science of life also like biology and medicine. (For Descartes, all animals are machines.)  In the 19th century and early 20th century, this incorporation of all phenomena into the great Newtonian world machine proceeded further into psychology too, behaviorism;
64.  human thought was described as an ‘epiphenomenon of material processes.’  Man thus becomes ‘nothing but a complex of biochemical mechanisms, powered by a combustion system which energizes computers with prodigious storage facilities for retaining encoded information.’
65. To this way of thinking, value and meanings are nothing but defense mechanisms and reaction formations.  Man, thus, fully incorporates himself into the insentient world-machine.

66. In, thus, entertaining a vision of the dualistic world, man finds himself to be the center of an intense conflict, both inward and outward. Inwardly, his spontaneous hunger for meaning, values and ideals, for what T.S.Elliot called the satisfaction of the whole being,
67. revolts against a doctrine, which divides the ‘is’ and ‘ought’ (fact and value) and denies any fundamental reality to his religious insights and ideals.
68. At the same time, his loyalty to and his dependence on, the mechanistic world do not allow him to dwell trustfully within a world of religious and metaphysical values.
69. Thus, matter (the observed world), the outer substance in the Cartesian dualism, overwhelms mind (the observer), the ‘inner’ substance.  But mind, as the creator of this entire edifice of scientific thought, revolts against the incorporation of itself into mere matter.
70. Thus, the inner conflict, the civil war in inner space is prolonged indefinitely in various forms and guises as fact vs. value, determination vs. free-will, matter vs. mind, meaninglessness vs. meaning etc.

It is very likely that Yeats' "rough beast" of his poem "the Second Coming" is the same as Jean Gebser's riddling "the law of the Earth".
The breakdown of the "gyre" (which is also R. Moss's *Mandala of Being* & Rosenstock-Huessy's "cross of reality") is the pre-condition for the rise of "the rough beast" and Gebser's "Law of the Earth" likewise.

Monday, February 24, 2020

Sri Aurobindo, Pal, Tagore, Gandhi, and Savarkar

20-May-2018 · After Savarkar and Sangh Parivar, it is Swami Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo who are going to come under attack. At the moment they are softening the field and preparing the ground.

Sri Aurobindo: Astronomers also have recently started doing it. (Laughter). Dr. Manilal: Do they count them as ... Dr. Manilal: Have you read Savarkar's speech, Sir? Sri Aurobindo: Yes. What about it? Dr ...

17-Oct-2015 · Read more about Dayananda, Aurobindo, Vivekananda and Savarkar: Hindutva's Big Four on ... Saraswati, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo and Vinayak Damodar Savarkar. The ...

18-Mar-2019 · Unlike Golwalkar and Savarkar, he embraced Islam, Christianity and Buddhism. ... Another great inspiration for the Hindutva brigade was Sri Aurobindo, but even his nationalism was not ...

28-Feb-2017 · From Sri Aurobindo to Lokmanya Tilak, Swami Vivekanda to Veer Savarkar, Mahatma Gandhi to Guru Golwalkar, Hegdewar to Deoras, Mohan Bhagwat to Dr. Swamy – all have tried to define ...

It is undeniable that Hindu Maha Sabha ideologue Savarkar spoke of reviving the "race spirit" of the Hindus. So did Golwalkar. Sri Aurobindo even used the term "Aryan race", which to him meant exactly the same ...

On 29.12.40 Savarkar gave a speech in which he said that the British could not be defeated. Sri Aurobindo commented: "Nonsense. They were saved by Divine Intervention. They would have been smashed if Hitler ...

31-Mar-2016 · What was the common thread that united Hindu nationalists Dayananda Saraswati, Sri Aurobindo, Swami Vivekananda and Vinayak Damodar Savarkar? With their thinking, discourse ...

29-Mar-2017 · What we need is not to go back, but forward to something new, what Sri Aurobindo called “ new creation” in Foundations of Indian Culture. It includes and exceeds what was attempted thus far.

03-Sep-2019 · How Savarkar's utterances for the sake of Hindu reform often rubbed Hindus themselves the ... Sri Aurobindo around 1914 found out that the Vedas were written with a "double" meaning: ...

The renowned revolutionary, Nalini Kishore Guha, introduced Keshav and Narayanrao Savarkar, younger brother of Veer Savarkar, into the Anusheelan Samity, a secret revolutionary organization, and according to ...

Hindu nationalism has been collectively referred to as the expression of social and political thought, based on the native spiritual ... Sri Aurobindo was a nationalist and one of the first to embrace the idea of complete ...

Sri Aurobindo was an Indian philosopher, yogi, guru, poet, and nationalist. He joined the Indian movement for independence from British rule, for a while was one of its influential leaders and then became a spiritual ...
Literary works: The Life Divine, The Synthesis of Yoga, Savitri

07-Jan-2016 · PDF | On Jan 1, 2007, Koenraad Elst and others published Savarkar, Hinduness and the Aryan Homeland | Find, ... his inclusion of Savarkar along with Tilak and Sri Aurobindo poses acute ...

Shri Bharucha, an old Congress leader said that Govt must take S's help for solving the problem of Punjab since he was ... S thought Aurobindo was a great philosopher and Vivekananda's Rajyog a masterpiece.

05-Nov-2004 · The issue of Savarkar conceals within it potent vials of poison which will destroy India's ... tradition as interpreted by Sri Ramakrishna, Bankim, Vivekananda, Rabindranath, Sri Aurobindo and ...

08-Mar-2016 · On 2 April Sri Aurobindo telegraphed Dr BS Moonje, head of the Hindu Mahasabha and C. Rajagopalachari. ... @Parikramah Their Guruji is Golwalkar, even Savarkar is not wholly welcome.

... Oak Pravrajika Atmaprana Purusotm Nagesh Oak Savarkar Sister Nivedita Sri Aurobindo Sri Aurobindo And the Mother Sri Ramakrishna Swami Atmasthananda Swami Bhuteshananda Swami Budhananda Swami ...

Swatantrya Veer Vinayak Damodar Savarkar was the greatest human being born after Lord Shri Krishna. ... Veer Damodar Savarkar was one of the greatest Indian freedom fighter who always looked for a chance to ...

02-Nov-2019 · Gandhi talked of daya, Savarkar said it made Hindus weak: Authors debate what is Hindu Rashtra ... He added that Mahatma Gandhi, Sri Aurobindo and Swami Vivekananda's version of ...

Savarkar, on the other hand, coined the term in his essay Hindutva: Who is a Hindu? (1923) ... Swami Dayananda, Lokmanya Tilak and Sri Aurobindo right down to Guruji [sic] Golwalkar and Deendayal ...

Sachidananda Mohanty · 2012 · History
On the other end, M. S. Golwalkar and others of the Right wing persuasion admire Sri Aurobindo for his ... thinker Jyotirmaya Sharma put Dayananda Saraswati, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo and Savarkar ...

Debating Nationalism: Aurobindo, Gandhi, Pal, Tagore and Savarkar ... written during the period of 1905 to 1923 and chronologically, these are: Sri Aurobindo's Bhawani Mandir (1905), Gandhi's Hind Swaraj ...

by YS Fletcher · 2016
On 8 July 1910, the Indian revolutionary Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, en route from arrest in... ... In India earlier that same year, a sedition prosecution threatened the well-known radical Aurobindo Ghose, recently ...

Sri Aurobindo: It is because of the empty space that he feels important. Nirodbaran: What empty space ... Satyendra: Savarkar says Hindus have never been conquered by the Muslims after 1677. Sri Aurobindo ...

It has had many prophets: Dayananda Saraswati, Sri Aurobindo, Swami Vivekananda and V.D. Savarkar. But it is M.S. Golwalkar, the 'Guruji', who is its authoritative exponent for the Rashtriya Swayamsevak ...

Vinayak Damodar Savarkar (विनायक दामोदर सावरकर) (28 May 1883 – 26 February 1966, commonly ... is not sullied by the placing of the portrait of Shri Savarkar in the hall of honour in the Indian Parliament." ...

Debating Nationalism: Aurobindo, Gandhi, Pal, Tagore and Savarkar. ... these are: Sri Aurobindo's Bhawani Mandir (1905), Gandhi's Hind Swaraj (1909), Bipin Chandra Pal's The Spirit of Indian Nationalism ...

This is the website of Sri Aurobindo Ashram, a community in Pondicherry, South India.
Missing: savarkar ‎| Must include: savarkar

07-Sep-2018 · Recent western scholarship has been attempting to convert Sri Aurobindo into a secular icon, ... on the so-called unmentionable communal leaders such as Dr. Hedgewar, Golwalkar and Savarkar, ...

30-Jan-2019 · Around this time, Britain was temporary home to many leaders of India's freedom struggle—besides Nehru, Sri Aurobindo, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, among ...

Title : Debating Nationalism: Aurobindo, Gandhi, Pal, Tagore and Savarkar; Author : Anil Dutta Mishra and ... these are: Sri Aurobindo's Bhawani Mandir (1905), Gandhi's Hind Swaraj (1909), Bipin Chandra ...

23-Aug-2017 · HDFC Bank under its #CSR initiative, in partnership with Sri Aurobindo Society announced the extension of ZIIEI program nationally. It aims to familiarize government school teachers with ...

06-May-2019 · On 6 May 1909, Sri Aurobindo was acquitted in the Alipore Bomb Case (officially known as Emperor vs Aurobindo Ghosh and others), a significant episode in the history of India that marked the ...

07-Nov-2018 · Enough has already been said about ideologues like Golwalkar and Savarkar — the way they ... to elevate man, as Sri Aurobindo imagined, to a higher level of psychic/spiritual evolution; ...

... goes beyond the existing inquiry into Hindu identity, nationalism and culture, through the writings of thinkers Dayananda Saraswati, Sri Aurobindo, Swami Vivekananda and Vinayak Damodar Savarkar.

Born and raised in Bangalore, Vikram Sampath completed his schooling in Bangalore at the Sri Aurobindo Memorial School and Bishop Cotton Boys' School. He...

16-Oct-2016 · Madan Lal Dhingra, Veer Savarkar, Mangal Pandey, Aurobindo and many . ... Sri Aurobindo's spiritual collaborator was Mother— Mira Alfasa— a Sephardi Jew and initially a disciple of Max Théon ...

12-Sep-2019 · It is worth noting that everything here, from installing the busts to defacing Savarkar's face to removing all ... from the movement and some were diverted to the spiritual path like Sri Aurobindo Ghosh.

The way the spiritual sense of boycott becomes inseparable with its political sense to Sri Aurobindo. KEYWORDS : Sri Aurobindo ... Vinayak Damodar Savarkar took a part in Tilak's Swaraj Party etc., gained their ...

13-Jun-2019 · One of them was Ganesh Damodar Savarkar, a great revolutionary, thinker and writer, ... movement and great Hindu thinkers like Sri Aurobindo Ghosh, Lokmanya Tilak, Adv. Deshpande, S. M. ...

Wednesday, February 19, 2020

Flood of transforming influence pours

"All fanaticism is false because it is a contradiction of the very nature of God and of Truth." -Sri Aurobindo, 23.10.39. 
Clearly, this includes Hindu fanaticism too. 
Let's not make a virtue of it.
Practise your own faith & traditions so that they become strong & sensible--as Swami Vivekananda did--rather than being a fanatic yourself. You claim others are destroying Hinduism. To defend yourself, you become unHindu & fanatic?Then you'll become just like those you oppose.
Hope by "all forms of God" includes Islamic, Christian & other forms of worship? Then you wouldn't be a fanatic, Sir. Let us remain Sanatanis, no? Rather than becoming the mirror image of the worst of those we're trying to oppose.
Sir, I hope you're aware that your tweet itself is an eloquent example of what you claim doesn't exist: to say that a Hindu can NEVER be a fanatic is a statement typical of a fanatic. Your bullying aggression is divisive of the very Hindu unity that you seem to seek.
"We don't even know who Gandhi is!! Instead of making Gandhi an external ghost, look at the ghost of Gandhi within yourself. We need stop blaming Gandhi for our problems." profound words from @MakrandParanspe today at a session on Sri Aurobindo & the idea of India @Gnostic_Centre
Sri Aurobindo is hugely misappropriated by a fringe political wing begging votes in his name. His nationalism was universal and pluralistic which binds whole humanity in one cord. ABVP doesn't even aspire to reach this goal
The solution is in doing one's work selflessly and letting the Divine do His work. If people choose to play the games of padre and pundit, it is only themselves to be blamed.

#Auroville’s true mission: The creation of a new world, a new humanity, a new society expressing and embodying the new consciousness...
Auroville’s role in manifesting the New Creation | Auroville

that and making an effort to be anti-racist in the poetry i choose has led to me discovering lots of cool new (to me) poets like Phyllis Wheatley and Sri Aurobindo, so I don't feel particularly bad about "o no i can't put the proto-fascists in here"

So this is really a "delusion," what Hindu's call Maya Lila, which the venerable tradition of @capracourse  @BernardoKastrup @DrDCWahl @AlanWattsOrg, Haridas Chaudhuri, Sri Aurobindo, etc. is so eloquent in illuminating.

The Ten Terrains Of Consciousness maps these intermediary stages that Sri Aurobindo is talking about here. Go to

"We who have been lucky enough to be on the hither side of the partition...welcome you with open arms & we shall exert every nerve to give you help. In the great struggle for India's freedom your families have fought side by side with us & if we fail... 
#IndiaSupportsCAA do the outmost we can by way of assistance we shall have betrayed the ideals that have served us as beacons in the past..." -Philosopher, political thinker, & disciple of Sri Aurobindo, Amal Kiran, edited the English fortnightly "Mother India" from Mumbai #IndiaSupportsCAA
Between 1949-1950 most of the editorials that he wrote were seen, corrected, passed by Sri Aurobindo himslef who considered "Mother India" to be his own paper. This editorial titled "To the Refugees of #EastBengal" & was written in 1949 & approved by the Sage #IndiaSupportsCAA

When Nehru-Liaquat Pact was signed, Dr. Syama Prasad Mookerjee resigned from Nehru Cabinet- Director SPMRF Dr @anirbanganguly speaking at a seminar on "Sri Aurobindo and India's Future" at Gnostic Center, Bijwasan, Delhi.
Sri Aurobindo used very strong words for Pakistan. He said, 'Pakistan is created by Force and Fraud. And when a nation is cemented only by anti-Indianness, in the long-term it's a liability to the whole world'- Director SPMRF Dr @anirbanganguly
The way forward is "Sabka Sath, Sabka Vikas, Sabka Viswas" and this sense of victimhood & siege falsely perpetrated in order to monopolize the votes of one community must end...
Paid homage at the sacred Relics of Sri Aurobindo enshrined in the Centre, which is doing great work

Sri Aurobindo's work is finding salience in Chinese universities
[About time Indian universities wake up to his wide and deep work on consciousness, poetry, politics, world affairs...]

Thanks for the suggestion, but for this podcast, it needs to be new books (last five years). So if someone has written a new book on Aurobindo, I'd be happy to look at it and see.

It is not entirely appropriate to place Sri Aurobindo in the category of "English" literary figures. Just coz he wrote using English doesnt mean his works belong in the English literary tradition or canon. His major works flow from a yogic consciousness & that is their TRUE value

Am happy the philosophy departments ignore Sri Aurobindo, if by malice or ignorance doesn’t bother me...because all that Sri Aurobindo wrote was from experience and not a mere philosophy..would be a categorical error if we applied the term philosopher to Sri Aurobindo
The Vedic Rishi wouldn’t call himself a philosopher, a dealer of mental ideals and possibilities..I don’t mean to discount utility of philosophers and philosophies...after all they accustom the common mind to higher things..but the Dharmic types are all about experience if we see
Hardly any..the last 200 or even 300 years have thrown up tremendous beings..Paramahamsa, Vivekananda, Tagore, Bharathi and more..but, in my view, none approached the ideal of the Veda..all played with its peripheries including Shankara...only Master got there and more...
Sir, because it would deprive us and humanity the purpose and utility of his works. If approached as philosophy, one views it as a possibility and nothing more, one remains poor and miserable. Approach it as one of many attainable statuses and all is an adventure..
How we are ready to receive His aid and influence is the determinant Sir..he doesn’t seem to have limitations and labels..a patient flood of transforming influence pours in His vicinity..and am not content to partake it with a spoon...
Yes, I adore Master but the adoration is not can lay out microscopic details of how this seems to shown thus far!!
Sir..aware to extent shown thus far..and also sense of being the arrow that slays an issue...each of us do it, whether consciously or aligned to and at what proportion is issue...yet all good Sir 🙏
Hence, the Kavi of the Veda and his utterances will always elude the linguist, philologist and every other mental tool of inquiry and examination, though they have their limited utility; the Seer-Poet soared borne by a flame of aspiration, so should they who wish to study them.

What is East West Psychology? Well one aspect is studying ancient texts and helping to show how they are relevant for today's audiences. 

In his most recent book, Meditations on the Isa Upanishads: Tracing the Philosophical Vision of Sri Aurobindo, cha...

"If you read Gandhi's Hind Swaraj you'll see he had a view of what India should do after getting rid of the British. This is the reason to remember Gandhi today," said RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat reports @iyersaishwarya.
Mahatma Gandhi was a hardcore Hindu, need to be more like him: RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat
The Print's Neelam Pandey @NPDay reports

But honestly speaking, today there is no place or very limited scope for classical communism. Today Haves aren't factory owner & havenots aren't factory worker, thus. However, today Communism has undergone change, thus we have Neo Marxism. Many ideas hold good, today in many form
If we look closely at India, we will find, we have adapted, what Andre Gunder Frank, German-American economic historian & Samir Amin, Egyptian-French Marxist economist proposed & were chief exponents of Dependency Theory. Thus everyone adapting the old, in some new form+++.

The Modern Age (and Mind) is in a state of decay and degeneracy. The "rational pursuit of self interest", once conceived as the foundation of liberty, has now decayed into narcissism and "the culture of narcissism" -- Mr. Trump being its apotheosis.
1st error here: the "rational" and efficient were assumed to be equivalent to the moral and the ethical. The crisis of ethics shows this is not true, and "post-rational" (or "irrational exuberance") already shows up that dubious equivalency. /1
2nd error: this "self" or "selfhood" never really understood itself at all, and is now in a state of confusion and perplexity about itself, confusing itself with what is only image and self-image (largely constructed by propaganda, too). /2
So, the whole principle of "the rational pursuit of self-interest" (otherwise called "classical British liberal values") is in a state of crisis, and is no longer considered a sure and certain guide to the "good life".

Interesting study on the persistence of misinformation, people are influenced by incorrect information even after it has been corrected and they believe the correction:

"Anyone taken as an individual is tolerably sensible and reasonable – as a member of a crowd, he at once becomes a blockhead." – Friedrich von Schiller
Reimagining and Refashioning Integral Management - Tusar Nath Mohapatra, Savitri Era Learning Forum (SELF) Ghaziabad
Harnessing Western Philosophy for Self-Management
TN Mohapatra
SAMSMRITI SAMS Journal 10 (2), 16-17 2016
Reimagining and Refashioning Integral Management
TN Mohapatra
Nitte Management Review 9 (2), 1-18 2015
#MirraAlfassa #SriAurobindo #WorldUnion #SAVITRI
I haven't read it but appears to be a good overview. There are many other books also. Hope you check. Thanks.
[The Integral Philosophy of Aurobindo: Hermeneutics and the Study of Religion
Brainerd Prince
Taylor & Francis, 20-Jan-2017 - Religion - 252 pages]

Thursday, February 06, 2020

Why pick on one person?

Probably the biggest damage done by the BJP-RSS fanboys is spreading total defeatism and negativity in Hindu ranks. They have thoroughly run down Hindu confidence, undermined their courage, and tried to create a self-fulfilling prophecy of another partition in the next 50 years.
Inflating Muslim numbers, making Hindus think that they will become a minority in the next 50 years, playing up Islamist power in the streets, and insisting Hindus are finished, and that voting BJP can only delay the inevitable demise of Hinduism in India. All of which are false.

One of the biggest misconceptions Hindutvavadis have is that most average H don't know M rulers were evil and need to be told endless dreary stories to show that they more. What H need to be the told about & what Hindutvavadis themselves need to be told about is pre-Islamic India
The biggest barrier to H political identity is the lack of pride or prestige associated with the 'Hindu' label, which itself comes from being told by both Hvadis and secularists that their ancestors were losers.

Most people know that the numbers we use today originally came from India. But very few people wonder how the words that we use for these numbers came to be. Are they just random? No.

In this thread, I will argue why it is so. I will develop a theory for how these words arose.

Rajaji was first one to moot / accept this - then Sardar Patel - n then किसी ... n still would not have happened in CWC but for the intervention by your Mahatmaji, sir. So stop peddling these inane innuendo please, sir.
And @PMOIndia may like to read this book by someone who certainly can't be accused of being a "Nehruvian "Liberal":
Shri Arun Shourie extensively quoted from this book - in defending book by Shri Jaswant Singh who was expelled from BJP for that - allegedly upon the demand by a certain BJP CM! Here is a sample:
Patel was so fed up with League’s tactics in interim govt that he saw endless intrigue/troubles ahead in working with League, so it was better to have a clean separation rather than pinpricks everyday. Nehru too had lost all hopes of a joint action with the Muslim League.
Sheshadri’s book is not the only one that documents lapse of Congress leaders. Prof RC Majumdar nailed lapses in his lectures published by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, and in his "History of the Freedom Movement in India"...2
All these books and many more can be stretched to cast the same doubts on the role of Patel, as one of principal leader of Congress...
agree... but why pick on one person?
yes; agree.. their fault was not taking this - partition based on religion (Cong was party too that) - to its logical end.

Absolutely. The usual half-literate intellectuals try to make a distinction between "nationalism" and "patriotism" based on something Orwell wrote—and of course, they didn't have the patience to read his full essay.
Then they quote Tagore. Tagore wrote so much that he can be quoted to suit anyone. Eg: "(Christianity and Islam) have distinct enmity against all other religions. They are not just satisfied with observing their own religions, but are determined to destroy all other religions."
"The Muslims cannot confine their patriotism to any one country. I had frankly asked them whether in the event of any Mohammedan power invading India, they would stand side by side with their Hindu neighbours to defend their common land. I was not satisfied with the reply I got."

Another tiring quote. People like Gandhi and Tagore spoke and wrote so much that they can be quoted to try to prove any point at all. Here's one from Tagore (next tweet) that is "clear evidence" that he hated the Abrahamic religions. 1/2
"There are two religions in earth, which have distinct enmity against all other religions. These are Christianity and Islam. They are not satisfied with observing their own religions, but are determined to destroy all other religions.” Works. Vol 24, Pg 375, Vishwa Bharti; 1982.

Tagore was so much concerned about ecology and its direct relationship with freedom! "Re-reading Tagore to Become Human" by Aseem Shrivastava raises some grave questions in the Freedom Issue of @Openthemag

“The danger to us is not so much external as internal. Reactionary forces & communal organizations are trying to disrupt the structure of free India. They do not realize that if disruption comes they will also be swept away” Nehru in 1947. Echoes also of Tagore’s view.

Mahatma Gandhi, in a statement addressed "To Gujaratis", 14 January 1948:
"All Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Parsis, Christians and Jews who people this country have an equal right to it. No one can say that it has place only for the majority and the minority should be dishonoured."

It was only Manmohan Singh who tried to change the words of Mahatma Gandhi, saying that Muslims have the first right to the resources of India, and the Dimmis have to be contended with what the Muslims give them. But he could not do that.