Wednesday, May 29, 2024

Moksha is not the goal but endless evolution

 Collated by Tusar Nath Mohapatra

From January 1968 till August 1970, the Mother was reading chosen passages from Sri Aurobindo's Savitri and giving Her explanations which were tape-recorded ...
19 hours ago — Vide., Sri Aurobindo, Hymns to the Mystic Fire, Vol. 11, SABCL, 1972. 12 Vide., RV (Turīyam Svid), X.67,1. 13 The Angirasa legend is to be ...
New Sri Aurobindo Pathachakra at Nilapari. Malkanagiri. Dt.28-05-24. No views · 9 minutes ago ...more. THE FLAMING PIONEERS. 1.17K.
“Despair on the Staircase” by Sri Aurobindo @thepointedvision by #TheXplainer. 1 watching now · 1 minute ago ...more ...
3 hours ago — Sri Aurobindo. 'The Mother' | book · 'Savitri' | Four Editions · First (1950-51) 'Complete' Edition · Second (1954) 'University' Edition · Third (1970) ' ...
New Sri Aurobindo Pathachakra at MPV -21, Malkangiri. Dt.27-05-24. 1 view · 8 minutes ago ...more. THE FLAMING PIONEERS. 1.17K.

There are two schools.One which believes world is Maya and one has to escape from it by Moksha.Second school is world is evolving and soul is voluntarily here by Lila of the Divine.Moksha is not the goal but endless evolution.Sri Aurobindo was of the second School.

I follow Sri Aurobindo.Moksha or Liberation would not end the soul's evolution.Earlier it evolved in ignorance ..then it would evolve in Full knowledge..

You can read his works.available online.Sri.A 's first spiritual experience was Nirvana.He was granted Liberation then and there in 3 days.But his real  sadhana started only after Liberation.

I rely only on Sri Aurobindo and the Mother. Up to each to follow in whom they have faith.

https://x.com/Sheks65/status/1795843529157275768?t=ngB69Aa-ehW2ZyF9eUyQ8g&s=19

Sri Aurobindo is in a different league with the likes of Vyasa and Vedic maharishis. Wouldn't put anyone except perhaps for Vivekananda in the same sentence with him.

https://x.com/SpiritWithBody/status/1795344017431089395?t=84wo_NmZU3EUOw3LfwDUWw&s=19

A counter. Brahmins, esp TBs are tied to tradition and hence aren't the cultural elites they used to b as world has evolved. Ex: Sri Vaishnavas still stuck with say Vedanta Desika & are clueless (barring few notable exceptions) about Sri Aurobindo's Integral Vedanta and poetry.

https://x.com/SpiritWithBody/status/1795696519829717218?t=I20YrRK_ttF5N5KGJ9EqfA&s=19

Vaidika culture is not "elite". It is *now* just yet another rigid tradition followed mostly in a dogmatic way. An anachronism in the way it's practised. 

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The real vedantic elites are those following Vivekananda and Sri Aurobindo, studying Sankara, Ramanuja, Madhava, Ramakrishna and Sri Aurobindo in a syncretic way, and they are caste agnostic. Traditional adherents are living in outdated echo chambers and have been far surpassed.

https://x.com/SpiritWithBody/status/1795779442180034758?t=6Qbx1zoXJbbQUY2Ng-q2vg&s=19

Were Hitler & Stalin Demons In Human Form? Rajarshi Nandy Shares Sri Aur... youtu.be/2kDEoEXvgXA

Georges Van Vrekham has written a well researched book on it based on the revelations of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother.

https://x.com/SpiritWithBody/status/1795489653656785399?t=qKSUYDne6qahcehznuURkA&s=19

New Secret revolutionary societies, Bengal nationalism and Śaktism: The socio-spiritual philosophy of Sri Aurobindo Ghosh and the armed resistance against British Colonialism

https://x.com/LSE_RGS/status/1795763852711284828?t=zYyAuhY3HaRBw3LXv4uRsQ&s=19

In this webinar, join us with Dr. Sampadananda Mishra who will revisit the principles, core teachings, the Shastras, and practices, in the light of Sri Aurobindo's yoga.

https://x.com/StudyAtHUA/status/1795748611688681683?t=m2vBU9wzzjJ5sAUPMQ6sew&s=19

Sri Aurobindo's approach was better. Savarkar was a brilliant thinker and sacrificed a lot for India, but that doesn't mean every single thing he said was perfect- would be an unfair bar to judge anyone by.

https://x.com/Akshay_VAK/status/1795716751147372754?t=wCzuPjSWc0Msbb2HHARuEQ&s=19

I do not think so. Savarkar is really a European man through and through, albeit whose heart beat for the Hindus. He really held the view that there can be no real religious confrontation in a "modern" world.

Aurobindo too was... but he knew that a real Hindu will overcome that Eurocentricism. Such was the prestige of Europe... that even the brilliant Savarkar could not escape...

https://x.com/lalashwa/status/1795728100938109244?t=rslgTWtY1uufp7gyMo5Gpg&s=19

Indirectly #SriAurobindo admitting Himself to be incarnation of #Srikrishna ! What a Grace ? Just casually went through this WhatsApp message and got this revelation !

https://x.com/Sanjays81301051/status/1795696708237906124?t=THomCGpPAN83e92D3l59dg&s=19

The second episode of the series introducing the major literary works of Dr. S.L. Bhyrappa features Parva and Daatu . These are deservedly acclaimed literary classics written by an author at the peak of his powers.
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Do read the whole piece! 
dharmadispatch.in/culture/parva-…

https://x.com/dharmadispatch/status/1795756909112557802?t=2KgkW2MhK4YtrbVt-v_i8A&s=19

Opinion: Why Hindu Kings Destroying Temples is Politics Not History

'Leli' historians Hindu temple destruction theory uses distant, dodgy & unreliable sources, says @Utpal_Kumar1 @firstpost

news18.com/opinion/opinio… @TVMohandasPai @sunandavashisht @Aabhas24 @thebritishhindu

https://x.com/MakrandParanspe/status/1795236717298896921?t=RpqAbQBrDSosiZYBzxBnxw&s=19

This comprehensive paper by @AnkurKakkar17  explores the dimensions of families and #Jatis in preservation and transmission of traditional #IndianKnowledgeSystems.

It explores how various domains such as #VedicEducation, #Ayurveda, #drama (#Kutiyattam), #architecture, and #pottery were primarily taught within family homes, highlighting the hereditary and decentralized nature of #education in medieval and early modern #India

This family-centered approach ensured the continuity of India's rich knowledge traditions for generations.

#PedagogyEducationalHeritage #Conference #gurukula @IndicaOrg

indica.today/research/confe

https://x.com/indicatoday/status/1795792013235019841?t=D79h7zFnS5c4-lCX3lcOXQ&s=19

[HTML] Unpleasant happenings in a so-called 'Culturally Developed State of Bhadraloks'

S Chatterjee - track2training.com
243 days ago - … Aurobindo was also arrested for planning and overseeing the attack and imprisoned in … In Pondicherry, Sri Aurobindo dedicated himself to his spiritual and philosophical …

Between the Two Mother Indias: Normativity and the Home

JD Luther - Queering Normativity and South Asian Public Culture …, 2023 - Springer
241 days ago - … Aurobindo Ghosh, an early nationalist (later to transition into the spiritual swami Shri Aurobindo… that believed in the primacy of Vedic values, established in the 1870s by …

All Life is Yoga: An Introduction

SA Clarence-Smith - Prefiguring Utopia, 2023 - bristoluniversitypressdigital.com
252 days ago - … Karma Yoga is one of the three paths of yoga, according to Vedic scripture. It is elucidated in The Bhagavad Gita, a foundational text for Sri Aurobindo’s philosophy and …

A Spiritually Prefigurative Culture: The Uniqueness of Auroville's Utopian Practice

SA Clarence-Smith - Prefiguring Utopia, 2023 - bristoluniversitypressdigital.com
252 days ago - … work’ arises from ancient Indian Vedic teachings that identify ‘… to progress spiritually, Sri Aurobindo identified Karma Yoga as … of our worldly pursuits (Sri Aurobindo, 2015). …

Divine Anarchy? The Development of the Auroville Polity

SA Clarence-Smith - Prefiguring Utopia, 2023 - bristoluniversitypressdigital.com
252 days ago - … Mother and Sri Aurobindo – a civil servant who had joined the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in … Although India’s Vedic, yogic tradition has long been the face of Indian spirituality …

SPACELESS SELF' IN SAVITRI: THE ETERNAL SELF OF SUPRAMENTAL MAN IN SRI AUROBINDO'S EPIC 'SAVITRI

K Nikhil - European Journal of Literary Studies, 2023 - oapub.org
252 days ago - … in the being of Sri Aurobindo. Such yogic truth evades the vision of the Vedic Rishis and the Gita. In other words, the yogic consciousness of the Vedas, the Upanishads, …

A Critical Analysis Of “Matter And Manner” In Amrita Pritam's Autobiography 'Shadows Of Words'

K Sakthivel, M Soundhararajan - Journal for ReAttach Therapy and …, 2023 - jrtdd.com
259 days ago - … According to her the Indian Vedic books and Upnishads … special reference of Rig Veda Pritam talks about Self … offered by Shri Aurobindo, seven destinations of stream of …

[PDF] Indian Management: New Routes to Corporate Culture

N Chatterjee - ieomsociety.org
259 days ago - … based on the philosophy propagated by Sri Aurobindo, influenced by the Indian Ethos … The Vedic era has witnessed a strict code of conduct where the duties of the kings, …

[PDF] Evolution of Aesthetics: Navigating the Intersection of Traditional and New Media Art Practices in India

MA Ratn, F Deeba - Evolution, 2023 - researchgate.net
271 days ago - … Sri Aurobindo, a prominent figure in Indian literary criticism, presents a comprehensive and synthetic approach to aesthetics rooted in Vedas and Upanishads. Traditional …

[B] Attentive Minds: A History of the Indian Performative Art of Avadhāna from the Origin to Modern Times

H Cielas - 2023 - books.google.com
267 days ago - … Vedas created techniques that allowed śrotriyas, “those who have heard," reciters conversant in Vedas, to keep … The modes of recitation and transmission of Vedas can be …

Journey of Resilience and Social Transformation: Resonant Voice of Dalits in the Select Works of Rajarao and Rohinton Mistry

RK Goswami - Eduzone: International Peer Reviewed …, 2023 - eduzonejournal.com
264 days ago - … Bhatta spells out his foreboding, “They will one day put themselves in the place of Brahmins and begin to teach vedas. I heard only the other day that in the Mysore …

Visibility of Albert Einstein's Four-Dimensional Plane of Existence in Sri Aurobindo's Yogic Vision of 'Space'in His Epic “Savitri”

N Kumar - European Journal of Theoretical and Applied Sciences, 2023 - ejtas.com
270 days ago - … Silence, or what Sri Aurobindo calls, ‘impersonal silence… to undertake yoga, says Sri Aurobindo who is the Soul of … the yoga of, what Sri Aurobindo terms, ‘psychicisation’. 

[PDF] Karmayoga Analysed through Spinoza's Perspective on 'Eternity'and Bergson's 'Élan Vital'

SR Bhandari - OUSL Journal, 2023 - account.ouslj.sljol.info
264 days ago - … The actions prescribed in the Vedic scriptures only for the reward of beneficial consequences do not … They follow the letter of Vedas, and they say: ‘there is nothing but this.’ …

How did the tiger get its stripes, and the cheetah its spots? Alan Turing set out to explain nature's patterns, and sort of succeeded

https://x.com/aldaily/status/1795848828580421926?t=A5rcjZFuy7qBM2BjREAn1Q&s=19

Charles Taylor is perhaps the greatest living defender of Romanticism. In this short video (edited from a publicly available lecture for the purposes of my Taylor upcoming seminar at USC) he also explains how music rose to maybe the most personal art form

youtube.com/watch?v=P_qZX3

https://x.com/jasonwblakely/status/1795829143730635162?t=H6cI-lM0RgFI_tUagrdjgA&s=19

A question for people who know Robert Rosen's work: what's the current status of his claim that MR systems aren't Turing-computable? I've read most of the (few) relevant papers on this but am not competent to judge and there seems to be no clear consensus.

https://x.com/evantthompson/status/1795607423203577916?t=TJ5sWe3rn5CAtfsmd3i5bQ&s=19

Doomism is a toxic mindset. It is quite simply wrong on every level. Those involved are well-meaning but deluded. My current book is in part a refutation of doomism, but also I describe #transhumanism and #cosmism

https://x.com/akazlev/status/1795758805101482385?t=iN3virr0C_-BB0QOem0N1A&s=19

[PDF] The Practice of Hinduism in Malaysia

I Sivanathan, KP Thamburaj, K Ponniah, L Arumugum - International Journal of …, 2024
This study investigates the vibrant expression of Hinduism in Malaysia, focusing on the Indian diaspora that has predominantly settled in the region over the last three to four generations. The Indian community, initially brought in during the colonial era …

11. Knowledge Management for Employees

C Bharathi - 1st International Conference,'Resonance': on Cognitive …, 2024
… An integral role played by data organizers (future knowledge managers) is absolutely crucial in making these connections possible. … , meditation, morning meeting, yoga, group discussion, encounter, emotional interview and Daily Feelings …

Thinking About Religion in the 21st Century: A New Guide for the Perplexed

GC Adams Jr - 2024
The crisis of 21st-century religion is upon us. With fewer people remaining committed to traditional religions and most new religious movements in their infancy, where does that leave the vast “silent spiritual majority” who find the old religions to …

[PDF] Salutogenic outcomes and their personality predictors in participants of year-long Antarctic expeditions

O Kokun, L Bakhmutova - Polish Polar Research
Prolonged stays in extreme living and working conditions at Antarctic stations can result in both negative psychological manifestations and possible positive, salutogenic effects. The aim of this study was to check an assumption about existing …

The Magic of the Seal: Ocean Messengers

M Godfrey - 2024
This book will take you on a journey to awaken a spiritual relationship with the seal, familiarizing you with the seal's anima as well as its history with the Gaelic ancestors of the British Isles. The Clan of the Seal on North Uist, and the traditional oral …

Monday, May 20, 2024

Reading can change lives


Collated by Tusar Nath Mohapatra 

As our lives are increasingly taken over by electronic gadgets and screens, we should remind ourselves how reading can change lives and bring us unfathomable hours of happiness. 

epw.in/journal/2020/3

https://twitter.com/epw_in/status/1792261543167422862?t=yzVHk3aYsIaQOkp2-f49WQ&s=19

Mamata Banerjee's recent attack on ISKCON, RKM, & Bharat Sevashram Sangh hits a new low. She accuses them of threatening India's future, claims RKM is campaigning for the BJP via WhatsApp. As the CM, her delusional rants are a travesty for the people of Bengal.

#shameful

https://twitter.com/DrSukantaBJP/status/1792051044991823905?t=eKOy8_DvuakziM-Qo7vq3Q&s=19

"Ramkrishna mission, ISKCON, BSS are known globally for their service. TMC threatened the saints just to appease their Vote bank":

- PM Modi slams TMC for belittling the saints of Bengal and attacking Ramakrishna Mission and ISKCON.

#BanglaChayModirGuarantee

https://twitter.com/sunnyrajbjp/status/1792119238142083412?t=q8GEuWNjHom_YJwRQRWFlQ&s=19

शूद्र कौन ? सरल भाषा में शांत प्रकाश जाटव का वक्तव्य

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https://twitter.com/shantprakash/status/1792264099570557239?t=IQ_6hGyajEXHhF1HOVkXkg&s=19

Thread of threads:

1. A brief survey of life and work of Swami KarpAtri ji 

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2. Story of Udayana, the most celebrated king of India 

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3. On how Alain Daniélou betrayed Swami KarpAtri ji by distorting his views

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https://twitter.com/entropied/status/1132303793691942913?t=pAUKlMVFkY_GsPNsAqLt3A&s=19

Hindi belt people have many defects but they are absolutely free from this cancer of hating people from other states.

https://twitter.com/entropied/status/1632050531546939394?t=o3AAVVJ1wGz-MP8-zf3J-Q&s=19

Arey bahut dusht hai. Odiya V1 ka naam lekar apni Bhadaas nikla raha hai.

https://twitter.com/entropied/status/1787430247844970924?t=9Caz18lnQacQ0PUbgIruRA&s=19

Don't know about sociology, but he continued the work of anthropology from his predecessor. As for historian, he didn't make it to the list of eminence by Mr Shourie. So not the worst.

https://twitter.com/ADropInDSky/status/1791468863260930532?t=jvwvGw-wukVZbmpQV_fXHg&s=19

What are you claiming clown?

I'm talking about caste kanging that doesn't mean hierarchy isn't there.

Learn from traditional acharyas who have been following traditions since the beginning & not from some random clown who claims to know this & that.

https://twitter.com/Sourav2006/status/1792182454817874307?t=DLJRyw2YMUNeWpTduZrTRg&s=19

He isn't prepared for inquiry. He will stand by the BJP-RSS stance that he has already adopted. His kind is more concerned with their political objectives than with Hindu Dharma.

https://twitter.com/HinduSanskriti0/status/1792188503964725489?t=pp7Ux0thNXqepGnoV1x0HQ&s=19

The government and establishment are systematically flushing out General Category men from the system. This is happening not just in IIMs but also in civil services, government jobs, and the private sector through DEI. 

But why? Read my follow-up tweet  ---(1)

https://twitter.com/HinduSanskriti0/status/1791364433580888268?t=vWxUPRFD58DMIHupQmopKg&s=19

After writing this, don't call yourself Savarkarite or Hindutvaadi, Savarkar himself believed much like Ambedkar in inter-caste marriages, encouraging it was the most efficient way destroying the 7 social barriers in the Hindu society and uniting them under a common identity.

https://twitter.com/spandanantweet/status/1791764413370044884?t=9qJCCrmi_ziSRniA0goNIA&s=19

WHAT IS JATITVA?

A nascent yet storied ideology is taking India by storm as Jatitva faces off against Hindutva.

The 2024 Lok Sabha Elections, Critical Caste Theory, Lebanese Confessionalism, & more feature in this jam-packed episode.

Original article on Jatitva: theemissary.co/jatitva-when-c

https://twitter.com/TheEmissaryCo/status/1790916129960931471?t=ukJ3uMxyqwWPgYD5porjqQ&s=19

Ambedkar is simultaneously India's greatest sociologist & worst historian.

I was being glib but I think his essential prism of Brahminism vs Buddhism is very wrong & has had a corrosive effect on understanding Indian history (other historians go pushed this as well). As well as homogenization of caste expression over time/place

he misdiagnoses Indian history as a battle between Brahminism & Buddhism. This is the crux of his worldview which is fantastically wrong. Vedicism (a better term for Brahminism) & Sramanism (Jainism & Buddhism) were like the DNA of ancient Indian culture - parallel strands linked, mixing and matching, evolving together.

This along with his shoehorning blame on Brahmins as if other castes had the intelligence of homo erectus. Removes a lot of agency from other castes as well as homogenizes caste experience across era and area.

I think he had a great grasp of contemporary Indian society though, hence why I admire his sociological outlook. Atrocious history stuff which mostly was a side hobby to buttress his ideas.

I used to have highly emotive reactions towards Gandhi, Savarkar, Nehru, Ambedkar, etc…

Extreme positives & negatives.

But now I just see them as bundles of ideas & experiences to learn from.

The worst thing to do is to deify or demonize them as a chest of truth is then lost.

https://twitter.com/TheEmissaryCo/status/1791464305637904683?t=CYOj9AkjKFw3F71FnaKTHg&s=19

"The Arctic Home in the Vedas" by Tilak is arguably the worst historical take by any prominent nationalist figure during the colonial period.

We must not balance any praise of Ambedkar with criticism for the sake of it, though Ambedkar got some parts of history rather wrong too.

As I said, he got stuff wrong too. But the glibness is due to a need to "balance". There is no need to do so.

https://twitter.com/harshmadhusudan/status/1791537946178253104?t=1l7HbLrXktULbHmU6W1BGA&s=19

Ambedkar's credentials as a sociologist are quite weak even if we ignore the later phase of his life which was driven more by activism than a dispassionate study of the society. For instance, we can consider the paper which he wrote on the origin of caste in 1917.

In that paper, Ambedkar argued that castes were essentially classes in the beginning which later crystallized into caste. This is something which is also argued by Marxist sociologists and there is some element of truth in it considering the large number of professional castes.

However, the transformation of class into caste as explained by Ambedkar is quite unsatisfactory. Ambedkar argued that Brahmins wanted to crystallize their privileges and they started practicing endogamy resulting in Brahmin caste.

As Brahmins occupied the highest echelon of the society, rest of the castes imitated them and started practicing endogamy to give birth to numerous castes. In his words, it was 'the infection of imitation'. In Ambedkar's worldview, Brahmins are the original sinner.

But when we look at the history, there is no evidence to support his hypothesis that endogamy first emerged amongst the Brahmins. In the available religious literatures and historical records, this is a common feature across the castes.

Second, while it would have made sense for Brahmins to practice endogamy because they were privileged in Ambedkar's view, why will lower classes adopt the same strategy which limited their economic and social mobility? By imitating Brahmins, they lost the both.

So, in Ambedkar's scheme of things, Brahmins are the progenitors of the caste system while other castes including Kshatriya-s who held the political power merely imitated them. This view had wider ramifications resulting in one caste getting all the blames.

In short, Ambedkar as both sociologist and historian was clouded by his desire for activism. As an activist, he was hugely successful and changed the dynamics of caste completely. He virtually killed Sanskritization in political space.

Link of Ambedkar's paper discussed above:

franpritchett.com/00ambedkar/txt

https://twitter.com/satoverma/status/1791887226927825336?t=S6aNpWe0iznnrAYAL3BOSQ&s=19

Regarding caste based movements in N India, there is something important to note with the rise of Ambedkar and the demand for affirmative section for the 'oppressed groups'. Caste based movements in pre-1930 phase were centered around gaining a higher status in caste hierarchy... 

As the very edifice of the Hindu social structure was challenged, Brahmins who were portrayed as the architect of this system in Ambedakarite thought, they became the primary enemy who must be demonized. The focus has shifted now on drifting away from Hinduism.

His ideas became influential later. During his lifetime, he was a marginal figure.

https://twitter.com/satoverma/status/1622228083351912454?t=GWz7NgVSyIiOVFdECOGyag&s=19

Martha Nussbaum's alleged scholarship is based on her solipsism (too autobiographical), misrepresentation of facts and cherry picking convenient bits. She did the same when she countered Scruton in 80s; in her duel with Richard Epstein; and in her work 'Cultivating Humanity'.

Her learning in classical philosophy is a tool for her ideological battle of feminism and homosexuality in the West. In India, Tagore and Sen are the sticks with which she beats every other regressive Indian in the august company of her comrades such as Wendy Doniger.

https://twitter.com/satoverma/status/1792231487250595853?t=8BwGqJQ6bWc-nzuq6k9ITA&s=19

The trap of “global standards”? Indians pls reflect on who makes these global standards and in alignment w which civilization’s values. Avoid inferiority complex.

For example the DEI standards are nonsensical and will destroy India! Also things like index of human rights, religious freedom, etc. Utter nonsense. 

In fact India should evaluate all global standards and publish a list of those it accepts and those it REJECTS. That’s leadership.

https://twitter.com/RajivMessage/status/1792065974817960327?t=6eWiNILdjCuv5-D6ZAohmQ&s=19

Most people in India, when talking about anti-India propaganda, only limit themselves to the Anglosphere. They forget about one European country, Germany, that rivals them in hosting all kinds of frauds and bigots, and its state media is equally as bad as the BBC.

https://twitter.com/buddhimedia/status/1792246236159853012?t=Q4r2rGQKZXY5poOPWYuACA&s=19

I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone for their support. My first book, "Nastik: Why I Am Not an Atheist," is finally available for PRE-ORDER on Amazon! Reserve your copy and join me in this journey from neo-atheism to Nirīśvaravāda #Nastik

https://twitter.com/kushal_mehra/status/1776167362007290350?t=rZPX-5pjtbAV-Dj9xzBF7A&s=19

Hinduism can't be truly universal until Jati Varna exists. For Dharma to be spread across the globe fairly, the third rated concept of Jati Varna has to die. It is dying daily as of now. May the speed increase even more.

https://twitter.com/kushal_mehra/status/1791084537809633690?t=wLltS0hBotzoo-1kr-qPHQ&s=19

All the apologia for Jati Varna always comes from General category Hindus, especially a section of Trad Brahmins. If I told them fine, have your Jati Varna, but let all the SC/ST/OBC get what you guys got for 1500 years and see how their world collapses. Now I'll watch some cricket and another set of people get triggered here.

https://twitter.com/kushal_mehra/status/1791445284347584712?t=aWLdO4RIJDRMdEkyORWy8w&s=19