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Monday, July 23, 2007

Your remarks about capitalism not having reached its own potential, is judicious

Michel Bauwens Says: July 22nd, 2007 at 1:16 am Hi Edward, The reference to how different vMemes may use p2p networks is the following: Originally from an essay by Chris Lucas which is referred to in the blog entry.
Parecon I found to be very problematic, because it is based on a hyper-administration of very detailed practical issues. Rather than let people work equipotentially, it wants to create balanced work complexes that preclude any inequality in job duties and satisfaction, and in order to do this, it has to include many detailed rules. I am personally not in favor of such a planning approach, Michel
Edward Berge Says: July 22nd, 2007 at 8:25 am I wasn’t crazy about Parecon either for those very reasons. I’ read the debate between Albert and Schweickart and found the latter’s economic democracy much more feasible. I’m just trying to show the alternatives to capitalism out there because it seems so many of us accept it as the only economic system within which we must operate.
And if we accept Ken’s tetra-enaction of the quadrants, and that capitalism arose with the egoic-rational consciiousness, it only makes sense that another, more developed economic system will evolve to make the proper fit.
On the other hand a good case can be made that capitalism is still stuck as a feudal expression of economics and has yet to live up to the egoic-rational level to match the democratic expressions we find in politics.
Edward Berge Says: July 22nd, 2007 at 8:52 am I have a question Michel. You linked to your blog on how the vmemes use P2P. This can be compared to how the different vmemes use integral theory (like trying to fit it into a capitalist framework). But integral theory itself, like P2P, arose from (or tetra-enacted within) a vmeme worldview, no? If so, from within what worldview did P2P arise?
Michel Bauwens Says: July 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 pm Hi Edward, In one of the earlier versions of my essay P2P and Human Evolution, I actually did an exercise comparing the various vMeme characteristics, and I found it had elements from various levels. But I think it is most likely an expression of turquoise, in its most fully formed potentiality. However, I’m not an expert in the fine distinctions between different vMemes.
For integral theory, note how Chris Cowan has mentioned research showing that abhorrence of the mean green meme (which according to his research does not exist) is only expressed by the orange meme.
Your remarks about capitalism not having reached its own potential, is judicious. I think that new expressions like fair trade, social entrepreneurship, and base of the pyramid movements are themselves expressions of this maturation (as is the greening of capitalism and the sustainability movement). And as you know, I call them peer-informed expressions of the market, since they recognize that the economy is about partnership and the recognition of everyone’s needs.

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